In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"

Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...

> wrote:

> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>
> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...

Perhaps he was simply assisting you in determining whether you had the
correct frequency or not. What if you were really trying to raise
Approach because you were being sequenced to land?

--
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Slip of the tongue by the controller handing you off? Not a biggie, not
worth following up.

Bob Gardner

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>
> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...
>

wrote:
> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>
> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...

It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.

If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the right
freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction, but it really
doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction. Just acknowledge and press
on (as you did).

"Dave Butler" wrote:
> > Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
> > very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...
>
> It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.
>
> If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the
right
> freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction, but it
really
> doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction. Just acknowledge and
press
> on (as you did).

I've inadvertently called Atlanta Approach "Atlanta Center" when checking in.
They don't like it.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

If you're on the right freq but call them the right name they normally
quickly correct you but continue on, sort of like:

"27D roger, Chicago *Approach*, Radar contact...blah blah blah..."

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>
> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...
>

"Dave Butler" > wrote in message
news:1107809005.223943@sj-nntpcache-3...
> wrote:
>> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
>> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
>> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
>> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>>
>> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
>> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...
>
> It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.
>
> If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the
> right freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction,
> but it really doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction.

Actually, I would think it WOULD be important. There are a lot of aircraft
on, or coming on, the frequency. If they hear you continue to call "Centre"
instead of "Approach", some one of them is going to waste time trying to
figure out if he is on the right frequency, and will perhaps leave it
(incorrectly).

Well, I haven't used it with Center and Approach, but when I don't know
which Fligh****ch I am going to get (almost always 122.2), I say
"S&ch*%##prtzer Fligh****ch, this is November 6 3 Charlie Tango". That
way, ya can't go wrong :-) Always good to be able to imitate static at
appropriate times. Good technique to master :-)

As for them getting mad, maybe the approach guys make more money than
the center guys? :-) (Or at least think they do)

Icebound wrote:
> "Dave Butler" > wrote in message
> news:1107809005.223943@sj-nntpcache-3...
>>
>>It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.
>>
>>If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the
>>right freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction,
>>but it really doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction.
>
>
> Actually, I would think it WOULD be important. There are a lot of aircraft
> on, or coming on, the frequency. If they hear you continue to call "Centre"
> instead of "Approach", some one of them is going to waste time trying to
> figure out if he is on the right frequency, and will perhaps leave it
> (incorrectly).

I don't think we are disagreeing. I assume you mean "It would be important for
the controller to make the correction." and not "It would be important for us to
know why he chose to make the correction."

Thanks to all for the input. I guess the bottom line is that
communication is more efficient when the right name is given with every
call, so it's worth taking time to straighten things out right away.

"Doug" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Well, I haven't used it with Center and Approach, but when I don't know
> which Fligh****ch I am going to get (almost always 122.2), I say
> "S&ch*%##prtzer Fligh****ch, this is November 6 3 Charlie Tango". That
> way, ya can't go wrong :-) Always good to be able to imitate static at
> appropriate times. Good technique to master :-)

But wait, low-altitude Fligh****ch (EFAS) is 122.0, not 122.2. The latter is
a typical FSS frequency, and should be addressed as XYZ Radio, not XYZ
Fligh****ch. Of course, you could cover all your bases by starting with
"S&ch*%##prtzer FR&ch*%##prtzer , ...". :)

--Gary

Next time, just say "Atlanta". When they respond, they'll tell you
whether they are Approach or Center (they always know).

Simplifies things.




On 8 Feb 2005 06:26:41 -0800, wrote:

>Thanks to all for the input. I guess the bottom line is that
>communication is more efficient when the right name is given with every
>call, so it's worth taking time to straighten things out right away.

Dave Butler wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> In a recent flight, I received the handoff, "27D change to Chicago
>> Center on xxx.xx" Next call, "Chicago Center, Arrow 27D, 3000"
>> Response: "Arrow 27D, this is not Chicago Center, this is Chicago
>> Approach". Me "Arrow 27D, correction noted"
>>
>> Is this an issue of sufficient importance to waste the air time in a
>> very busy airspace? I'd just like to know...
>
>
> It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.
>
> If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the
> right freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction,
> but it really doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction. Just
> acknowledge and press on (as you did).

Because if you are an approach controller and are called a center
controller it is the height of indignity.

"Dave Butler" > wrote in message
news:1107872420.663971@sj-nntpcache-3...
> Icebound wrote:
>> "Dave Butler" > wrote in message
>> news:1107809005.223943@sj-nntpcache-3...
>>>
>>>It's his air time. He can waste it at his discretion.
>>>
>>>If you were handed off, he knew you were coming, he knew you were on the
>>>right freq. Not clear what his motivation was in making the correction,
>>>but it really doesn't matter why he chose to make the correction.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I would think it WOULD be important. There are a lot of
>> aircraft on, or coming on, the frequency. If they hear you continue to
>> call "Centre" instead of "Approach", some one of them is going to waste
>> time trying to figure out if he is on the right frequency, and will
>> perhaps leave it (incorrectly).
>
> I don't think we are disagreeing. I assume you mean "It would be important
> for the controller to make the correction." and not "It would be important
> for us to know why he chose to make the correction."

Well, I was thinking more along the line of: "it would be important for us
to call the controller by the correct identification", hence "It would be
important for the controller to make the correction.", and for us to comply.

Good idea! Doesn't work everywhere, though: e.g., SoCal Approach and LA
Center, and NorCal Approach and Oakland Center.

Alan Pendley

PP - ASEL - IA

Commercial Student

Hawthorne Muni, CA

75 Cardinal RG

N2770V

> wrote in message
...
Next time, just say "Atlanta". When they respond, they'll tell you
whether they are Approach or Center (they always know).

Simplifies things.




On 8 Feb 2005 06:26:41 -0800, wrote:

>Thanks to all for the input. I guess the bottom line is that
>communication is more efficient when the right name is given with every
>call, so it's worth taking time to straighten things out right away.

In that case, I would simply say "Hey".



On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 05:30:09 GMT, "Alan Pendley"
> wrote:

>Good idea! Doesn't work everywhere, though: e.g., SoCal Approach and LA
>Center, and NorCal Approach and Oakland Center.
>
>Alan Pendley
>
>PP - ASEL - IA
>
>Commercial Student
>
>Hawthorne Muni, CA
>
>75 Cardinal RG
>
>N2770V
>
> wrote in message
...
>Next time, just say "Atlanta". When they respond, they'll tell you
>whether they are Approach or Center (they always know).
>
>Simplifies things.
>
>
>
>
>On 8 Feb 2005 06:26:41 -0800, wrote:
>
>>Thanks to all for the input. I guess the bottom line is that
>>communication is more efficient when the right name is given with every
>>call, so it's worth taking time to straighten things out right away.
>